everyone knows president obama. he served for the last almost four years so this tape isn't going to do anything to change the minds of people who know him already. the problem is nobody knows mitt romney. >> no, they don't. i was in roland university speaking to a bunch of kids there and we were talking about the two debates. i asked them what moment do you remember most from the democratic debate. they all remembered bill clinton's peach. i asked them what moment do you remember most from the republican debate. other than chris christie, they remember clint eastwood talking to the chair. those kids are paying attention. i think the republicans have lost so many opportunities to be able to make their case. i don't know if you're feeling any of that there in new jersey. >> i don't think there's a case to be made. i mean, they can't give any information about their budget. i'm a senior citizen. to be honest with you i'm deathly afraid of them taking over. >> do you trust the paul ryan medicare plan? he said it's only